Is a 50 50 JV split actually the beginner rate or just the loudest number

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Everywhere you look, first deal advice says find an experienced wholesaler and give up half. Half of a 12k fee is 6k, which sounds fine when the alternative is zero. What's harder to tell is whether 50 is a real market rate or just the number that got repeated until it became the default. The work often isn't 50 50 in most of the descriptions people give. If a newcomer finds the seller, negotiates, and gets the contract signed, while the experienced partner's contribution is a buyer list and a phone call, that isn't equal effort. It might still be equal value, since the buyer list is the thing that makes the fee exist at all. Argument for 50: the experienced side is carrying the compliance risk, the buyer relationship, and the actual closing. They can also walk away and do their own deals, so they price accordingly. If the deal dies, the newcomer's time was worth nothing anyway, so half of something beats all of nothing. Argument against 50: it prices a newcomer's lead generation at zero premium forever. A genuinely motivated seller at a real discount is the scarce thing, and plenty of operators move to 65 35 their way by deal two without pushback. A third view worth sitting with: on a first deal, the split may be the wrong thing to negotiate at all, and what's actually worth buying is access to how an experienced partner works. For anyone still weighing this, it's worth asking what people actually paid rather than what people think is fair.

samantha_ruiz · Answer

I paid 50 on my first and it was the right price for what I got, which was somebody who read my contract before I sent it and caught that I'd left the inspection period open ended. That one line would have cost me the deal.

By deal four I was the one being asked for 50 and I said no, because by then my buyer side was the weak part and I knew it. That's the actual variable, windlass. Not experience, not effort. Whoever holds the side of the deal that's currently scarce gets the bigger number. Right now buyers who actually close are scarce and motivated sellers are less scarce than people pretend, because everybody's list is the same list.

Where I'd push back on your last point: you can't buy access separately. Nobody teaches you their process for a fee. They teach you by doing a deal with you and the split is what they charge for it. So negotiating hard on your first one is buying a worse education.

megan_doyle15 · Answer

Genuine question because I'm brand new. If the experienced partner takes half and does the closing, whose name is on the contract with the seller, and does that change what the split should be? I assumed whoever signs the seller has the leverage, but reading keystone it sounds like the buyer side is the stronger position.

priya_n21 · Answer

On the signing side, a contract on a seller only helps a wholesaler if they can actually perform, and a contract that can't close is worth less than a buyer list that takes anything sent its way. From the passive side, the 50 number stops looking strange once it's treated as the price of not losing the deal entirely. Paying a property manager 10 percent of gross for years draws the same objection, that an owner could do it themselves for free, and could, badly, for the first couple of years, with mistakes that cost more than the fee. Splitting a first wholesale fee is the same shape of trade. Where it's worth hesitating is if a partner expects 50 percent on every deal after the first and calls it a standing arrangement. At that point it isn't a joint venture anymore, it's a job with worse hours.

Is a 50 50 JV split actually the beginner rate or just the loudest number

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