Checkbook LLC inside the IRA or leave title with the custodian

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I'm about a month from funding and I have two versions of the same purchase in front of me. Version one, the custodian takes title directly, deed reads as the custodian FBO my account, and every payment goes through them on a written direction. Version two, the IRA subscribes to a single-member LLC, the LLC takes title and holds a bank account, and I sign as manager of the LLC on behalf of the account.

The case for the LLC is speed and cost. A $600 water heater on a Friday doesn't need a direction letter and a three day processing queue, and per-transaction custodial fees stop mattering. Formation and annual filing costs vary by state, so the arithmetic changes depending on where the entity sits.

The case for custodian-direct is that every dollar physically passes through a party whose whole business is keeping IRA money separate from mine. With checkbook control, my hand is on the debit card and the prohibited-transaction rules haven't loosened at all. A wrong swipe is the whole account, not a fee.

I keep landing in different places depending on which failure I'm imagining that day. The people here running more than one property inside an account, which way did you actually go, and did the reason hold up.

nicole_adeyemi · Accepted Answer

Both versions are legal shapes people use, and neither one changes a single prohibited-transaction rule, so pick on operations and then get the structure reviewed by someone licensed before you fund it. The entity is a container. The disqualified-person list, the no-personal-work line, and the requirement that income and expenses stay inside the account all follow the money wherever you put it.

What actually differs is who catches your mistake and when. Custodian-direct, a direction letter that names a payee your custodian recognizes as your brother-in-law's company may get bounced back to you, and that bounce is worth something. It isn't policing, they don't owe you compliance review, but there's a human step. Checkbook, the mistake clears the bank and you find it at year end, or your accountant finds it, or nobody does.

The second difference is valuation and paperwork. LLC-owned property means the IRA holds a membership interest, and the custodian will want an annual value for that interest, which is a report you or an appraiser produce every year forever. Custodian-direct on a single property is a simpler file.

My own accounts are custodian-direct on the land side because I might touch a parcel twice a year. If I were buying a small apartment building with a real repair calendar I'd want the checkbook and I'd want a bookkeeper on it from month one, not month fourteen. Also worth pricing before you decide, LLC formation, registered agent, and annual report costs vary a lot by state, and a couple of states charge enough to swallow the fee savings entirely.

carlos_nunez · Answer

The thing that decides it for me is transaction count, not risk tolerance. One paid-off rental with a manager sending a single net deposit each month is maybe fifteen custodial actions a year. A value-add unit where you're touching vendors weekly is a hundred, and at that volume the direction-letter queue starts costing you real money in delayed work and annoyed contractors. I've had a plumber walk because the deposit was four days out.

But every checkbook setup I've seen go wrong went wrong the same way, someone treated the LLC account like an operating account instead of retirement money. The custodian version has friction and the friction is doing work.

nataliehsu · Answer

Naive question from the outside, if the LLC has its own bank account, who is stopping you from paying a personal bill out of it by accident? Is there anything structural, or is it purely that you have to not do that?

renee_dubois · Answer

@plumb nothing structural. The bank sees an LLC checking account and a manager who is authorized to sign. That's it. Your custodian isn't reviewing those transactions either, they're recording that the IRA owns an LLC interest and valuing it once a year.

I run four doors in one account, custodian-direct, and my honest cost is about two days of lag on anything unscheduled. I priced the LLC route and the annual state filing plus a separate bookkeeping line came out close enough to my custodian's per-item fees that the speed was the only real gain. At four doors that wasn't enough to change my mind. At twelve it probably would be, and that's the number I'd watch.

laurenkim53 · Answer

Rural angle, in the low price points I look at the property might be $60k and the annual custodial fee schedule stops being a rounding error fast. Two accounts I looked at charged per asset plus per transaction, and one charged a percentage of account value which was actually the cheapest for me because the value is small. Get the fee schedules side by side in writing before you decide anything, the answer moved for me once I did that.

kevin_lombard · Answer

If the LLC owns the house and I'm the manager of the LLC, I still can't fix the fence myself, right? The LLC doesn't put a layer between me and the property in the way that matters?

diane_kowalski · Answer

@juniper right, it doesn't. You're the manager of an entity your IRA owns, and that makes you a controlled-entity situation, not an arm's length one. Fence still gets fixed by someone the LLC pays.

@quill the piece I'd add to @parcel's list is what happens if the custodian goes sideways. Transferring a directly-titled property from one custodian to another means a new deed and a recording in the county, and recording practice and transfer tax treatment on that kind of custodial change differ by state, so confirm it locally before assuming it's clerical. Moving an LLC interest is a change of the registered owner on paper. I've seen a custodian transfer take four months on directly held real estate.

tylerbrooks9 · Answer

I want the version that survives me not paying attention for six months, and that's custodian-direct with a manager and no debt. Slow is the feature. If I ever have enough property that the lag hurts, I'll have enough property to pay someone to run the books, and then I'd revisit.

karen_whitfield · Answer

Twenty-plus years of land holds and I've never wanted checkbook control, because my transaction count is a tax bill and an occasional survey. The friction @quarry describes as a cost is the same friction that has twice made me stop and reread a direction letter before signing it.

But @quill, you're not buying land. Pick the container that fits how often you'll actually be in it, and if you'll be in it constantly, a slow structure will only annoy you later. Just budget for the bookkeeper from the start, since the whole reason people get hurt in checkbook accounts is that nobody reconciles the account until something has already gone through it.

Checkbook LLC inside the IRA or leave title with the custodian

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