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Does the 70 percent rule even apply in West Roxbury when ARVs are above 600k

I keep running the math on a 2-bed cape in West Roxbury, asking 489k, ARV probably 615k if I do the kitchen and both baths right. At 70 percent of 615 minus maybe 55k in scope, my max offer is 375k. That's 114k below ask. Nobody is taking that offer.

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Yeah 70% falls apart fast once ARVs clear 550 in that market. I'm passively in a project near Roslindale and the partners ended up closer to 78 to 80% just to get the deal done, and it still penciled with tighter margins. The rule is more of a starting ceiling than an actual offer number up here.

The 70% rule was basically built around Midwest and Southeast price points where you are flipping $150k to $250k homes and your profit margin is maybe $30k to $40k if everything goes right. When ARVs hit the $600k range your carrying costs, financing, agent fees, and transfer taxes on both ends eat a much bigger absolute dollar figure even if the percentages look similar, so the formula starts under-protecting you in some ways and over-restricting you in others at the same time.

What I have found working closer to that price band is that the real constraint is not a fixed percentage, it is your lender's terms and your actual exit confidence. I have passed on deals where the math worked at 72% or 73% because I was not sure the ARV held, and I have gone to 75% on one where I had a tight comp within 90 days and a contractor already scoped. On your West Roxbury cape specifically, that $615k ARV is doing a lot of heavy lifting. If the kitchen and baths push to $70k instead of $55k, which in Boston metro they often do once you are actually in the walls, your margin compresses fast. The ask being $489k is not your real problem. Your real problem is whether $615k is defensible when finished product in that pocket is selling in the $590k to $620k range depending on the week.

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