Discussion
A seller carry or sub-to structure has enough moving parts that watching someone explain it on video feels genuinely different from sitting with the actual purchase agreement and…
Happening Now
I closed a Phoenix contract sub-to at 4.1% in March and my attorney flagged the due-on-sale language but told me enforcement is rare. I want a number, not "rare." Has anyone actua…
Discussion
Found a 3.2% first mortgage on a house in the East Mesa area of Albuquerque, seller motivated, asking $14k for equity. Got a purchase agreement signed last Tuesday. Then her title…
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Take a rental running $340 a month underwater: mortgage payment of $1,480, rents at $1,140, tenant on a month-to-month lease, landlord absorbing the gap out of pocket for eight mo…
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I have been building townhomes so long that I forgot deals could move this fast. We were under contract inside of five days. Seller was a retired teacher who inherited the propert…
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I've got three STR units running and I'm used to putting real money into deals, but this one the seller is current, loan balance is basically purchase price, and I cannot figure o…
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I closed a sub-to in Fresno six weeks ago, 287k existing loan at 3.875, seller wanted out of a property she'd been managing remotely for four years. Deal makes sense, cash flows f…
Story
An Illinois real estate attorney will usually say it plainly, with no qualifications. Subject to is not a crime in this state. Investors who walk into that meeting genuinely unsur…
Win
Experienced sub-to operators will sometimes say the strategy is really a bet on the servicer staying asleep, and it is worth sitting with. Consider an operator with eleven of thes…
Discussion
Seller is current, two years left of living in it before she moves to be near her daughter, equity ask is around $22k. On paper this is the deal I have been studying for. The part…
Win
Beginner framing because I got this one wrong in my head for weeks before I understood it. I kept treating sub-to as a way to buy cheap. It's a way to buy a payment. The house I c…
Discussion
Got a deal sheet from a wholesaler that says "sub2, assumable, 3.25%" on it. When I asked whether the loan was actually assumable he said sub2 and assumable are the same thing, yo…
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Took over a 1958 ranch at $214k balance, 3.5%, 24 years left, PITI $1,498. Seller wanted $8k and out. House was rough, not unlivable. My plan was standard for me: put $45k in, ren…
Poll
This question splits opinion consistently, so it's worth laying out both cases fairly. For anyone new to the structure: subject-to means the deed passes to the buyer while the sel…
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Here is a scenario worth working through together. Small town, population under 4,000, about 40 minutes from anything. Three bed two bath on 5.1 acres, well and septic, built 1996…
Discussion
A subject-to deal has the buyer take the deed and keep paying the seller's existing mortgage rather than getting a new loan, which means using someone else's financing without the…
Discussion
The operations side of a subject to deal deserves scrutiny before a team touches one. A common description is getting the seller's online login and making the payment from the buy…
Loss
Short version for anyone about to do their first one. Subject to means the loan stays in the seller's name and the buyer takes over the payments. The lazy setup, and it is common…
Discussion
Working a house where the numbers are: $412k balance at 3.125%, PITI $2,190, market rent $2,450, seller wants $45k for her equity and would carry $30k of it, value around $520k. E…
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Consider a subject-to opportunity that arrives through a personal referral rather than active sourcing, which is a common way these deals first appear to someone new to the strate…
Discussion
Deal in front of me is a VA loan, 312k balance, 2.75%, seller is active duty and moving. He's happy with subject-to in principle, small equity check, I take over payments. Then he…
Win
Here is a case worth studying, because the arithmetic is cleaner than most subject-to write-ups and the risks are easier to see with real numbers attached. It also runs fast, elev…
Poll
A large share of the low-rate loans that wholesalers bring to sub-to buyers are government backed, and experienced operators split hard on whether those are workable. The argument…
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Three years in on a sub-to and it's worked, so here's what it actually took rather than the version where you inherit a rate and go to sleep. Acquisition: 1990s four bed in an inn…
Discussion
Here's the deal I'm looking at. Loan is 2.9%, balance 227k, PITI is 1,412 with 310 of that going to escrow. Rent comps are 1,725 to 1,775. The problem is what happens to that 310.…
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Here is a scenario worth working through in full, because the structure looks clean at first and then runs into a real obstacle. A 1970s farmhouse sits on 11.4 acres at the edge o…
Discussion
Take a duplex under contract subject-to, the seller's loan balance around $211k at 3.75 percent, with her hazard premium paid out of her escrow. The buyer's insurance agent says h…
Poll
I've been reading titling patterns on sub-to acquisitions and I don't think the room agrees on this at all. The land trust argument: the deed transfers to a trust, the seller is o…
Loss
Payment went from $1,412 to $1,741 in month ten and nothing about the loan changed. I was keeping the file on a sub-to for an investor I do coordination work for, so this one is o…
Discussion
Structure I'm being pitched. Operator wants 60k from me to cover a seller's equity on a house with a 198k first at 3.4%. I'd take a second deed of trust recorded against the prope…
Poll
Two very different sub-to conversations are worth comparing side by side. Seller A is behind. Two payments missed, a notice from the servicer, a 3.6% loan, essentially no equity l…
Poll
When a newer investor asks whether a subject-to deal is reasonable as a first purchase, the honest answer sits on both sides. The case for doing it early: the deal does not need t…
Poll
On a subject-to purchase, the deed and the equity number tend to get agreed on quickly. The harder disagreement is who touches the monthly payment after closing. Two structures sh…
Loss
This was my first attempt at anything creative and I want to write down where it fell apart while I still remember the order. Seller was an older man, loan at 3.25%, balance about…
Discussion
FHA loan, $265k balance at 3.25%, payment $1,870 with taxes and insurance. Seller is relocating and her loan officer is counting that full payment against her debt-to-income, so s…
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Worth walking through as a case, because it shows what a properly built file looks like when it actually gets tested. Say a sub-to closes in early one year, and twenty months late…
Discussion
Here is a scenario worth walking through before funding any subject-to operator. Say the operator holds title on three houses where the underlying loans are all in the original se…
Poll
In a subject-to purchase, the seller's equity typically gets paid in one of two shapes. The first is cash at closing. Say a seller owes 210k on a loan at 3.4%, the house is worth…
Discussion
Before anyone goes looking at houses for a subject-to purchase it's worth knowing what the closing itself costs, because the courses talk about buying with no money down and never…
Happening Now
A woman down the road from my first rental is moving in with her daughter out of state. Her loan is at 3.5%, balance around $214k, payment $1,610 with taxes and insurance escrowed…
Win
This one is worth laying out in full because it shows what actually scares people on a subject to deal and how each scare gets handled. The property. A 1974 fourplex, four twos, t…
Discussion
I have four of these running. Two sellers have now come back asking to be released from the mortgage because their lender is counting the payment against their DTI and it's blocki…
Discussion
Worth sorting through from the lending side, so point out where the math is off. A seller owes about 214k on a loan at 3.1%, and the house would list somewhere near 290k. He wants…
Loss
Posting this because I looked for someone who'd actually had a loan accelerated and found mostly people saying it rarely happens. The deal: 1978 three bed, seller relocating for w…
Discussion
Closing attorney's suggestion on a house I'm working: deed into a land trust with the seller as the initial beneficiary, then she assigns the beneficial interest to me at closing.…
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I set up the closing coordination side of a few creative deals for other people and now I've got four of these files where the buyer is self-servicing, meaning he logs into the se…
Win
Subject-to financing is one of the strategies worth explaining plainly, because the mechanics confuse people who otherwise understand deals well. What it means: the seller's mortg…
Discussion
A pattern worth untangling. A seller's agent says the seller will wrap his loan to the buyer, then in the next sentence calls it a subject-to, and when asked which one it is, answ…