Happening Now
Six months into a BRRRR file I was coordinating, the borrower's bridge lender had a clause that tied refinance eligibility to the later of certificate of occupancy or 180 days fro…
Discussion
My friend closed on a duplex in Pomona last spring, all in at $540k after a $65k rehab, and the appraisal came in at $590k. She needed $620k to make the refi math work. So she's s…
Discussion
The tension I keep coming back to is that a HELOC on an existing property gives you a draw you can time to the rehab spend, so you are only carrying interest on what you have actu…
Happening Now
On a textbook BRRRR the hard money clock starts ticking at acquisition, and most people treat the rehab budget as the number that matters. It is not. If the budget runs 8k over, t…
Happening Now
Found this out on a duplex in Memphis last month. Closed in January, did not pull the first draw until mid-February because the contractor was slow to mobilize, and now the clock…
Discussion
I got my license in March and I'm still trying to understand how experienced operators set their max purchase price. Every example I find online starts with "I bought it for 60k a…
Discussion
This is worth walking through as an illustration. An operator underwrites a duplex to a 187,000 ARV on the strength of a comp that closed at 191,000 in April 2023. The refinance a…
Happening Now
A lender's counsel will sometimes put it this way: you are pricing the exit before you have priced the cost of being wrong. Take a first BRRRR in Akron where the whole structure a…
Discussion
I keep circling back to this. Feels like the contractors and managers in a hot brrrr market are printing money while the operators are sweating appraisals and seasoning clocks. Cu…
Story
I keep seeing the worked examples and they all start somewhere around "I found a distressed property for 60k" and I'm sitting here in memphis proper where that number gets you som…
Discussion
Take a duplex bought at 140,000 with 62,000 put into the rehab. Comps support 265,000. The appraisal comes back at 243,000. At 75 percent that is 182,000 versus a 198,000 underwri…
Loss
First one, done, tenant in, refinanced, and it cost me about 22k more than my spreadsheet said it would. All of it came from time. The house was a 1950s three bed in a working cla…
Loss
I lent 50k as a second position note into a BRRRR on a small single family, 12 percent, interest only, 12 month term, repaid from the refinance. Monthly interest arrived on time e…
Discussion
Getting my license and doing a lot of reading on the side, and BRRRR keeps coming up as the thing people do when they don't have much money. But every worked example I find starts…
Discussion
Take a BRRRR deal worth modeling two ways. Purchase at 110,000, rehab at 50,000, 160,000 all in. ARV at 205,000, refinance at 75 percent gives 153,000 back, leaving 7,000 in the d…
Win
Three previous BRRRRs left me with capital stuck in all three. This one didn't, and the difference was almost entirely that I underwrote the after repair value low on purpose and…
Happening Now
Take a BRRRR structure where an operator buys a duplex at 210k with his own bridge financing, a lender's 90k funds the rehab, and repayment comes from the cash out refinance at an…
Discussion
First rental is a BRRRR I'm holding, and I've been so deep in screening reading that I've created a timing problem for myself. Market rent looks like $1,900. I have an applicant w…
Poll
I've got the renovation side clear in my head. What I don't have clear is the first ninety days, when you own a house that doesn't produce anything and needs 40k of work. The opti…
Poll
I've been reading this room for a couple of weeks and I can't tell which way the room actually leans on this one. The case for starting with BRRRR: if it works, the money comes ba…
Discussion
I've been listening to people talk about BRRRR for a while and I've been pretending to follow. Writing down what I think each word means so someone can correct me. ARV, after repa…
Poll
Buying can happen on weekends and refinancing is mostly paperwork, but the renovation phase is the one that tends to demand real-time attention for a few months, which is a proble…
Discussion
A common way to model BRRRR is starting capital of 60k, each deal all-in at roughly 78 percent of ARV (purchase, rehab, holding, closing), refinancing at 75 percent LTV. On a 200k…
Discussion
A common mistake in BRRRR: the property gets picked the way a flip would be picked, chasing the widest spread between price and after repair value, with rent barely considered unt…
Loss
A four door portfolio attempting a full BRRRR cycle, buy, rehab, rent, refinance, repeat, is a useful case for showing where the fifth step goes wrong even when the first four go…
Discussion
I hold for a long time and I don't enjoy debt, so I keep arriving at the opposite conclusion from most people in this room. Deal I'm modeling: all-in $180k, ARV around $240k. At a…
Loss
Take a single family BRRRR: purchase 158k, rehab comes in at 41k against a 36k budget, closing and holding 11k, all in 210k. Appraised at 268k, a solid appraisal only 7k under est…
Poll
Four completed cycles, fifth under contract, and the thing that's slowing me down now isn't money. I've got a line of credit and a couple of people who'd fund a rehab tranche if I…
Discussion
Trying to get the refinance done on a single family I've been rehabbing. The lender ran it and told me the debt service coverage ratio is 1.08 and their minimum on this product is…
Discussion
Scoping a BRRRR now and the scope has already grown from $52k to $70k on paper, which is my usual disease. About $18k of the growth is mechanical: sewer lateral, 200 amp service,…
Happening Now
I've read this commitment letter four times. The broker told me on the phone that I could refinance as soon as the property was leased and the work was signed off. The document sa…
Discussion
Numbers first. Bought at 145k, budgeted 55k on the rehab, actual spend landed at 73k. Most of that was a sewer lateral nobody caught and a roof that went from patch to full tear-o…
Poll
A recurring disagreement in BRRRR strategy worth laying out plainly. The strict version holds that the refinance exists to pull the entire original investment back out so the same…
Win
Not an operator by trade, I do service work around this business, but I wanted one of these for myself and it's done. Small two bed, bought at 96k on a private loan from someone I…
Discussion
A common bind worth working through with numbers. Say a lender wants 12 months of ownership before a cash-out refi at appraised value. Before that it is purchase price plus docume…
Discussion
Two claims about BRRRR circulate that do not fit together, and anyone who prefers the boring, dependable kind of investing should reconcile them before starting. One version says…
Happening Now
Small three bed, bought at 118k, put 34k in, all in about 158k with holding. I underwrote the after-repair value at 205k off three sales within half a mile that all closed in the…
Discussion
I've been mapping vendors around this strategy because the service side is what interests me. Lead lists, skip tracing, contractor marketplaces, punch list apps, draw tracking. Al…
Happening Now
Take a purchase at 142k, a 38k rehab budget, and 9k of closing and holding costs, landing all-in around 189k. Comps support an after-repair value near 235k. At a 75 percent refina…
Poll
Two deals in progress, both roughly 1,300 square foot three-beds in the same submarket, and I've deliberately run them differently to see what the appraiser does with it. House A…
Discussion
A question that comes up on almost every small multifamily turn. Contractor bids come back higher than the budget wants and a good chunk of the gap is labor. The owner is reasonab…
Discussion
A friend who does renovation work wants to do a version of this together, and most of my money sits in passive deals. He'd run the buy and the rehab, I'd fund the acquisition and…
Loss
A structure that looks clean on paper can still create a real problem at refinance: a money partner puts in 85k for a rehab, and to protect that position a second position mortgag…
Discussion
A call that happens mid-rehab on a property meant to be kept and rented. The owner asks to add it to the same policy as an existing rental and the agent says no, a landlord policy…
Happening Now
Take a four unit BRRRR bought at 265k with a hard money bridge, 82k of rehab across all four units, all in near 360k, with a bridge maturing in seven weeks. Stabilized rents at 1,…