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The structure comes up more often than people expect: a seller carries a note, then decides to forgive or gift the interest payments back to the buyer, either periodically or as p…
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Carried a note on a fourplex in Stockton, sold it in early 2022. Buyer brought 15 percent down, I carried the rest at zero interest, fully amortizing over fifteen years. I did thi…
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I put in a mound system because the county flagged the original at closing and I thought buyers would pay for clean. Sold on terms six months later and the guy never mentioned it,…
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Thirty-eight thousand down on a 155k sale, so about 24 percent, and the note sits at 8.5 percent over 20 years. Monthly payment is right around $980 principal and interest, buyer…
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The assumption I keep seeing tested is that motivated sellers carry paper because they need to move the property. Sometimes that is true, but the more durable reason in this rate…
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My mother passed in March and left me a small rental in Clarksville, Tennessee that she was carrying paper on. Buyer has been paying since 2019, solid record, 14 payments left on…
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Say a buyer takes a wrap at 7 percent over an underlying at 3.5 percent on a 280,000 wrap note. The spread looks clean until year four, when the buyer refinances out, the underlyi…
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I have a gap loan sitting in Memphis right now, 14 months in, 11.5 percent, borrower is current and I expect payoff around month 18 when he refinances. That duration I planned. Bu…
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A parcel I am looking at right now carries a recorded public road along the western boundary, dedicated in a 1991 subdivision plat that was never built out. The county accepted th…
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I run escrow on conventional deals all day and I have never closed a wrap where the underlying was adjustable, so I genuinely do not know how this works in practice. If the seller…
Discussion
Twelve years of appraising and I still can't settle this for myself. I've got a 3-bed in Maplewood I'm thinking about carrying, asking $279,000, and two interested buyers. One has…
Story
Take a note originated in March 2023 against 18 acres in Ozark County, Missouri. The buyer puts $1,800 down and pays $289 a month for 84 months at 12.9 percent. Somewhere around 3…
Discussion
Take a seller carrying about $180k on a $210k sale where the parcel might actually comp closer to $240k. The question is whether that gap between sale price and appraised value ch…
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There is a line attorneys use with owners about to carry paper, and it deserves more attention than it gets. The note is only as good as the collateral. The plain version is that…
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Closed on 18 acres in Adair County, Missouri last October for $14,500 cash. That number I knew. What I did not count on was $340 for the title search I ordered separately because…
Story
Here is a situation worth walking through, because it arrives faster than most people expect. An investor buys a second lien on a small mixed-use in Akron at a discount, paying 31…
Discussion
I bought a duplex in Lakewood, Ohio in 2019 for 187,000 and I'm only looking at seller financing now because a buyer came to me in March and I wasn't planning to sell until at lea…
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Take 18 acres in eastern tennessee, free and clear, with a small barn built out about four years ago. Bought in 2021 at 142k, and a buyer now wants to carry at 185k with 25k down…
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Bought a fourplex in akron last year, carried the paper at 8% with a 7 year balloon, and I'm already wondering if I could sell this note to someone in year 2 or 3 if I needed the…
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Closing on a fourplex in canton ohio next month, seller financing the buyer for 187k at 8% with a 5 year balloon. My attorney mentioned the mortgage gets recorded but I didn't thi…
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A buyer coming in on a 3/2 in a stable working class pocket, offered by an owner holding the house free and clear, with 15 percent down and a request for 30 year amortization on a…
Discussion
Read something that said if you originate more than a couple of owner-financed loans you become a mortgage lender and need to be licensed, and that there are rules about balloon p…
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Writing this out because everyone told me owner financing was the easy way to sell and I believed them. Background for anyone new like I was. Seller financing means I sold the hou…
Discussion
Say a seller owns a rental free and clear and would rather have a monthly check than a pile of cash to redeploy. A buyer's agent tells the seller to ask for 20 percent down minimu…
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For anyone building a list of small houses to rehab and expecting to carry paper on several of them, because plenty of likely buyers won't clear a bank right now, the useful quest…
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Tenant of five years asked to buy the house. Never late, not once, has the rent receipts to prove it. We've talked around 410k, she can put 41k down, and she can't get a bank loan…
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Selling a renovated fourplex I own free and clear. Buyer is a contractor, decent operator, thin on liquid cash. Terms we're circling: $425k price, $85k down, $340k note at 7.5%, 3…
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Here is a choice that comes up constantly for a seller carrying paper. A small three bedroom in a working class part of town, owned free and clear, and a buyer who can put 12% dow…
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Take an eight unit brick building, all one and two bedrooms, owned free and clear, gross scheduled rent around 96k and NOI last year of 58k after real management and real capex. L…
Discussion
Take a mixed-use building where the seller would sell tomorrow if the buyer could get a loan. The buyer is self-employed two years, and most banks want three, so owner financing c…
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A useful case for anyone carrying paper: a delinquent tax notice reaches the seller two years after closing because the county still has the old mailing address on file. Two years…
Loss
Consider a seller carrying financing on a small 2 bed 1 bath rental, about 780 square feet, sold for 96,000 with 8,000 down and 88,000 financed at 5.5 percent, 30 year amortizatio…
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Say a seller is carrying financing on a small, unencumbered fourplex and has two live buyer conversations. There's a real disagreement about where the underwriting effort belongs.…
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When structuring seller financing, the down payment size is often treated as the main protection, but it's worth separating what the cash at closing actually does from what the no…
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I've got two live offers on a 40 acre parcel I've held about nine years, no debt on it, listed at 265k. Buyer A puts 20% down, 8.25%, amortized on 25 with a 7 year balloon, and hi…
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Trying to figure out the actual line items on the seller side. My understanding is I hand over a deed, get a note back, and then money shows up monthly. That can't be free. So: wh…
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A scenario worth working through for anyone about to carry paper for the first time. Say an owner has a 1.1 acre vacant lot listed at 95k for nine months, two lowballs, and now a…
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I've got two parcels I'll probably sell in the next couple of years, both held free and clear, and I've been reading sample notes to figure out what I'd actually want in one. The…
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Picture an owner winding down a small service business who also owns the building it runs out of and is thinking about carrying paper for the buyer. The accountant calls that an i…
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Take a four unit, bought at 415k, with 90k put into it, all four units now leased at market. Two offers come in, both bank contingent, both wobbly on appraisal because there isn't…
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Seller I do listing work for owns a side by side duplex free and clear, both units rented, asking 340k. Two conventional offers fell apart on appraisal and financing, and the thir…
Discussion
Take a seller who owns 11 acres outright with no mortgage on it. A buyer offers close to asking but says no bank will touch raw land, and asks whether the seller will take payment…
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Here is a case worth studying, because the part that nearly killed it is the part most sellers never underwrite. Take a plain 2 bed 1 bath, about 900 square feet, three blocks fro…
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Closed last week on a carry I've been building for two months and I already have a problem I didn't write into the note. The deal: 3/2, 1,450 square feet, full gut, sold at 312k.…
Discussion
I've been reading in this room and in the capital section, and the phrase that keeps coming up is that seller financing is taking off because rates are high. Makes sense on paper.…
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A scenario that comes up often with owner-users. An operator is selling the shop building the business runs out of and leasing something cheaper across town. The building is free…
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Closed three weeks ago on 34 acres of raw land I'd sat on for nine years, no debt against it, taxes about 1,400 a year. Price 168k, buyer put 25% down (42k), I carry 126k at 8.5%,…
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Take a seller who owns one rental free and clear, a 3 bed 1 bath, roughly 1,000 square feet, on a decent street in a small midwest town, held nine years. Listed for a cash sale, t…
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Sold a small two bedroom house I'd owned outright. 62,000 note, 8%, twenty year amortization with a ten year balloon, payment worked out to about 519 and we rounded it to 520. Att…
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I was reading through a note form a friend used on a carry-back and the prepayment section was one line: borrower may prepay in whole or in part at any time without penalty. Which…
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I split 61 acres into five lots after plat approval, put in a gravel access drive and one culvert, and sold three of them on my own paper over about fourteen months. 78k, 84k and…
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Say a note is written for 68k on a small parcel with 14k down, leaving a 54k note at 8% over 15 years with a balloon at year five. Most of what gets discussed about seller financi…
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Say a package of two small rental houses sells for 465k. Buyer puts 10% down, 46,500. Seller carries 418,500 interest only at 7.25%, 2,528 a month, balloon at month 24. The whole…