Story
Closed 34 days later, so financially fine, but I had nothing on paper between the handshake and the wire. No written terms, no scope of what counted as a qualifying lead, no fee s…
Story
A case worth studying: bird dog surfaces a distressed duplex, sends the address and seller contact to the investor on a Monday, investor sits on it for three weeks while running c…
Win
A deal worth studying: a bird dog brings in a motivated seller on a probate property, right contact, right timing, distressed enough to pencil. The investor ties it up, does the i…
Discussion
I'm on the buying side so maybe I see this differently. The flipper I lend to privately has sent me a couple of leads through a loose arrangement we have, and two of them were lis…
Discussion
Here is a scenario worth working through honestly, because the numbers are common. Picture someone pulling Notice of Default filings from the county recorder every month for about…
Happening Now
A common observation from investors who pay bird dogs consistently is that the ones who last know which sellers are ready to talk before the seller knows it themselves. Practicall…
Happening Now
Driving two zip codes in Polk County for the last three weeks, specifically 33803 and 33815. I pull up to a boarded window or a tarp on the roof and I write the address down, run…
Poll
Bird dogging gets recommended to beginners as the place to start because it needs no capital. That claim deserves testing before anyone spends a season on it. The case for it bein…
Loss
I was doing this to build the down payment for the first rental, and I wanted the practice of looking at houses without the risk of owning one. It didn't work, and the reason is s…
Happening Now
Take a lead finder who works a residential trade and is on those streets five days a week, seeing vacant houses before the mail carrier does. Say he's been passing addresses to th…
Discussion
Take a bird dog pulling roughly 30 addresses a month off probate filings and code violation notices, driving them, photographing them, noting occupancy, and finding a phone number…
Win
I do roofing and gutters, mostly repair work, so I'm on ladders looking at houses all day. Two months ago I bid a roof on a 1950s ranch, three layers of shingles, decking gone sof…
Discussion
A common bird dogging setup: someone driving a three county area and pulling code violation notices generates maybe 30 to 40 names a month worth a call. Two investors want in. Inv…
Poll
For anyone bird dogging with limited hours a week, the two ways of working produce very different results. Option one is picking a single situation type and covering a whole count…
Win
Take a pre-foreclosure lead passed to a new buyer. Single family, 1,800 square feet, owner about eleven months behind, with two long conversations already had with her, in which s…
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I'm about two thirds through the pre-license coursework and I have four vacant houses on a street near me that nobody seems to be doing anything about. Two have notices taped in t…
Discussion
Thin margins are my whole life and I don't want to spend 800 on an entity for something that might pay me 500 once. Somebody told me you can't accept a fee as an individual, you n…
Loss
I spent three weekends driving two older neighborhoods on the north side of my city, writing down houses with tarps, dead grass in July, mail piled in the box. Ended up with six a…
Happening Now
Five months of pulling addresses off my own job sites and off the pre-foreclosure and tax-delinquent lists at the county. 41 leads passed to four investors. 3 closed. I got $1,500…
Discussion
Worth sitting with directly: every data source that used to be a bird dog's edge, court probate filings, tax delinquency rolls, pre-foreclosure notices, skip tracing, is now avail…
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I started scouting to meet the people I eventually want to place money with, and I kept records the whole way because I wasn't sure the activity paid for itself. Seven months late…
Win
A bird dogging story worth studying: a 1950s three bedroom on a regular walking route sits neglected for about twenty months, gutter hanging off the back corner, mail wedged in th…
Discussion
Whether bird dogging can run on subscribers instead of one-off fees comes down to decoupling revenue from the buyer's closing table. Say six investors, each paying a monthly retai…
Win
A pattern worth studying in bird dogging: sourcing leads from probate filings at the county courthouse, in person where the docket is not published online in usable form, which va…
Discussion
I don't invest and I'm not sure I want to. But I'm out in neighborhoods constantly for work and I notice the same things over and over, houses with two years of mail in the box, b…
Happening Now
A common bird-dogging situation: someone spots vacant houses through their day job, in this case job sites, and keeps informal notes over time without any system behind it. Say th…
Poll
Two weeks in and I've got a conversation going with a buyer who does maybe fifteen houses a year. He said something I can't work out. For my first three leads, no finder's fee, bu…
Happening Now
A scenario worth sitting with: a licensed property manager overseeing a portfolio of units across multiple owners has several of those owners independently mention wanting to sell…
Discussion
I'm mostly a long-hold land person so this isn't my usual lane, but I've had two people this month describe themselves to me as bird dogs and they clearly meant different things.…
Happening Now
Over about three weeks of driving the same four streets on my way home I've written down 11 houses. Tarps, waist-high grass, mail visibly stacked in one door, a code enforcement n…
Discussion
Bird dogging keeps coming up as the answer for people with no money, and that is fair as far as it goes. But nearly every description frames it as a stepping stone to wholesaling,…
Discussion
I run renovation scope for other people. Every week I drive past three or four houses that are obviously in trouble. Tarp roof, mail piled up, a dumpster that's been full since fo…
Happening Now
A guy who does yard work in a neighborhood I like emailed me offering what he calls off-market leads. His terms: $400 per lead, paid before he tells me the address, and he says he…
Poll
Scouting is the part of this business a new bird dog can start on before any capital is in place, and the real decision to make early is how many buyers to build toward. The one-i…
Poll
Foreclosure filings were up 26 percent year over year in the first quarter per ATTOM, starts up 20, repossessions up 45. The list every scout works from is getting longer, and mos…
Happening Now
Four deals in and my problem is deal flow, so I told a guy at a local meetup I'd pay $2,000 per closing for addresses in my two zip codes. He's enthusiastic. In three weeks he's s…
Discussion
I've been reading for half a year, haven't done a deal, and I want to pick something I can start this month. Bird dogging keeps coming up as the free entry point because you don't…
Happening Now
An investor I met through a contractor I know sent me six addresses and asked me to go look at each one, take exterior photos, note whether it looks occupied, and tell him if ther…
Discussion
I do a lot of due diligence on passive positions and I've started noticing distressed houses near the ones I look at. A friend who flips said I should just send them over and he'd…
Happening Now
Career change in progress, zero deals, and I sent my first real lead to an investor I met at a meetup. Small single family, garage door caved in, grass to my knee, notice taped to…
Discussion
Right now I have two investors who each pay me $1,000 flat when they close on something I found. I don't contract anything, I don't talk price with owners, I hand over an address,…
Loss
Working out what the first deal costs, and I decided bird dogging was the free way in. It wasn't free and the reason it wasn't is my own doing, so here's the accounting. Over seve…
Discussion
I work rural land, long holds, and I've been passing leads on parcels that don't fit my hold criteria. Small acreage, back taxes owed, heirs scattered across three states. Flat fe…
Win
I do passive positions mostly and I underwrite carefully, so when I started funding a local operator's acquisitions I ended up paying for his lead flow too. Over 14 months that wa…
Loss
I've been working through the pre-licensing hours and doing some scouting on the side to have something going on. Found a duplex with a boarded window and a code violation posted,…
Discussion
The basic model is easy to state. Find a house, tell an investor about it, they do the deal, the finder gets a fee. Where it gets harder is scale and whether a given market works…
Poll
Some investors pay scouts two ways and let them pick. Either $500 flat on any lead taken to contract, or 5 percent of net profit when the deal closes. Same pipeline, same investor…